it together with the former clinton budget director -- >> who disavows it. gwen: president obama and governor romney continued that theme of untrustworthiness on the campaign trail this week with the president hammering romney on promised tax cuts. >> after running for more than a year in which he called himself severely conservative, mitt romney is trying to convince you that he was severely kidding. gwen: and romney is raising questions about what the administration knew about the deadly attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. >> there are more questions that came out of last night. because the vice president directly contradicted the sworn testimony of state department officialings. he's doubling down on denial. gwen: so karen, is this coming down to a game of who do you trust? >> i think it is. and it's also coming down to a game of how each one of them defines the other. and with mitt romney, i think we've seen something pretty extraordinary over the last week and a half. starting the day before the last debate. where he is once again sort of very visibly kind of trying to posit